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Some sort of catastrophe appears to have befallen Niven a few million years ago, thinning its atmosphere to Mars-like levels and draining its oceans.
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Hmmm
18:14
How's it's magnetosphere?
18:14
In fact, how are the magnetospheres for all the planets we know of?
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All planets in this system except for Asimov have Earth-class or stronger magnetospheres
18:15
Bradbury's in particular is over ten times stronger
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Nice. That makes colony planning really easy. Especially since it's a red dwarf. I think we should rule out Niven for further exploration in the short term; our efforts would be better spent elsewhere, and it's too massive for useful industry (edited)
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Clarke
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Asimov
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Niven
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What happened to Asimov???
18:54
And, was there any ejected matter?
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0111narwhalz 09/10/2019 7:35 PM
it's actually a massive Day-Glo Pollock
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BluejayHurricane 09/10/2019 11:01 PM
@KAL_9000 This is the beginning of my summary of the quest. It's complete through Turn One, but probably needs editing, if anyone wants to do that. I just sort of condensed stuff. Please pin it. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Auay-EE80HLBg-b3umw1jjpvgwCL2pgBk4Lx-UPcN8I/edit?usp=sharing
“Greetings, sophonts! You are the commanding AI of humanity’s first Von Neumann probe, designed to explore the stars and make baby probes while doing it! Have Fun and try not to die. Picking Factions United Nations Perk: 10 Billion People, + to probe size Con: Too m...
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My knowledge of 'turn two' (or one point five, idk) is basically just sending probes to the other planets in the system, and queueing up surface and atmospheric missions to the other bodies in system. More specifically our short term goal is to further research the Heinlein system, and the possibility of orbital refueling there due to it's high He3 concentration. Is that about correct @KAL_9000? (edited)
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Am here, can do things
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If players are available, can do a session
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Can do session now
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Where are we up to again?
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probes on their way
13:55
Also, to answer your question about Asimov
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Ooh
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It orbits very close to Proxima
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Ah. Very close.
13:56
So, is there mineable matter that was ejected from it?
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Well, it has an atmosphere of rock vapor
13:57
And lava oceans
13:57
And no ejected matter
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Yaay Habitable, methinks.
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So pretty much an inhospitable wasteland
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Are there rovers queued for Heinlein's moons?
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The probe has low-grav landers
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Execute the order Deploy the landers.
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EXECUTE ORDER 66
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Die, Jedi scum.
14:00
What are the moons called?
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Rovers
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Heinlein I and II
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Can we call them Jedi and Scum?
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sure
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Cool
14:00
Fancy rovers btw
14:01
Do they have mineral/material scannerey things?
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Probe closes to close range and launches rover
14:01
yes they have scanners
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That's cool.
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Heinlein from probe camera
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Scan for metals on Jedi and Scum!
14:02
Excellent.
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Palpatine voice: excellllent
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Can we please rename the moons?
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yes
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No.
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Provisional designations 'Jedi' and 'Scum' removed
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We could name them after actual characters, or to stick with the theme scifi authors.
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Rolling 1d20 + 0 (both S-Type)...
14:04
12, 15
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Moons should be named after books written by the author the parent planet is named after
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Farmer in the sky.
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Those sound like kind of inconvenient names.
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Because that's cool.
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Ideally short titles or the first major word in a title
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Maybe with could use different naming schemes per system.
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Yeah, Alpha A and B don't use sci-fi author names
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Harsh mistress?
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This is the Order of Robert A. Heinlein Books in both chronological order and publication order. List verified daily and newest books added immediately.
14:07
(it was the first search result, and seems to list the relevant books)
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Methuselah sounds cool.
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For example, Bradbury's moons are Chronicles, Fahrenheit, and Something Wicked
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"Farnham's Freehold" might work.
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If you guys don't name Niven's largest moon Dune I will be very disappointed :V
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Ah yes, Dune by Niven. I know it well.
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You, Leto, and the God-Emperor of Mankind are the three best emperors of sci-fan (edited)
14:10
I like Mistress and Freehold
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Wikipedia lists "Gulf" under "Other short speculative fiction".
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I like Mistress and Methuselah.
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Also "Elsewhen".
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It has a theme.
14:11
@KAL_9000 wdym the true emperors of sci-fan?
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Let's do Mistress and Methuselah
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14:11
@Unknown your profile pic is Palp
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Yes, correct. I am of the star wars fans.
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Mistress: 12 Mineral Wealth Points (MWP)
14:13
Methuselah: 15 MWP (edited)
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Is that good?
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20 is max
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So yes for Methuselah?
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Yeah, if we send miners there, that will be the target
14:14
Stand by for deployment of Heinlein atmospheric probe
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Are there any other bodies dV close to Heinlein? That are minable? Like other asteroids?
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It has one Trojan asteroid at the L4 point (edited)
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Now that's an anomaly worth looking into...
14:15
Do we have any more probes there?
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That's not really an anomaly so much as just something that happens sometimes
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Also, after the success of Methuselah, I propose we send a prelim miner to the moon.
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14:17
Really
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why are you thumbs-upping your own posts
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How many asteroids do we have in our L4 points?
14:17
Because it is voting
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Earth has one
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Oh. Whelp
14:18
Anyway vote
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Approved
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Oh cool
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Constructing miner
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I guess we're going to spaaace
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If we send a refinery unit and construction drone there as well, we can start building up infrastructure
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Yeah, do the thing. Excellent.
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Heinlein atmospheric probe view
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Just send minimal things to start constructing bigger things while we explore the rest of the system.
14:21
Now that looks habitable!
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Except the ground is more clouds
14:21
And it's a gas dwarf
14:21
And the atmosphere is poisonous
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So?
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And it's quite hot
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cloud cities
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CLOUD CITIES
14:24
Also, we should probably send landers to both the low-atmosphere planets, even though they are useless, because.
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They're already on their way
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Nifty
14:25
What about Asimov? Any creative ideas for how we could use a broken planet?
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It's not broken, it's just molten
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I meant damaged, not like actually broken.
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Clarke lander on descent
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Use-impaired.
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My idea is that we hit it with an RKV and turn into a dyson swarm eventually.
14:26
@gollark what is?
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Asimov
14:27
Asimov lander on descent
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Eek
14:27
Mustafar.
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ERROR: DRASTIC OVERHEATING
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Yep
14:27
Bye
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ERROR: TEMPERATURE EXCEEDING BOUNDS
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-SIGNAL LOST-
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Well, 2.2 earth masses and high temperature... not good for manufacturing.
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I like how that's an 'ERROR' and not a 'I WASN'T DESIGNED FOR THIS'
14:28
But easier to break! Because it's molten!
14:29
Anyway gtg.
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I guess with a lot of heatproofing you could use geothermal power.
14:30
Or, as @Unknown sort of suggested, blast chunks off it for mining.
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Or blow it up
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Is back
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back
15:23
had to do real life stuff
15:24
@Overmind would it be possible to create a ProbeQuest role so I could ping only the people interested when I'm available to run a session?
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I had to maintain my existence with food.
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U
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-INCOMING TRANSMISSION-
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Exciting!
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Message from Earth
15:39
Mission details and schematics for the manned mission
15:39
It's going to use a lightsail, so we need to set up a laser system to decelerate it at some point
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Really, why not have a giant laser system anyway?
15:40
Do we put it on some planet or in stellar orbit?
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Also blueprints for UN Vacuum Navy warships, in case we need to defend the colonists
15:41
We can put it wherever, but ideally we want it to be close to Proxima and have easy access to resources
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Why not use the interstellar sail method? If you are counting on us to build the laser, you can count on the earth.
15:42
Earth is using a laser to accelerate it
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Can you list the planets again?
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We need to use the laser to decelerate
15:42
Asimov - Molten super-Earth
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Clarke - Hot super-Earth
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Heinlein - Gas dwarf
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Bradbury - Habitable world
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Niven - Mars-class planet
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Hmm. How many, er, mineral units will a laser array big enough to decelerate the mission fast enough cost?
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3,500
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But we have 40-odd years to do it
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We should do more mining.
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The mining rig has been passively going at it, and has accumulated 500 MUs
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Neat.
15:45
We can build 1/7th of a giant laser... but where...
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We need to get surface structures on Bradbury, and to do that, we need: a) More mining b) Orbital energy generation (fusion) around Heinlein.
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I'd suggest building it on Clarke, as it is the planet closest to Proxima that's not molten
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We need to expand mining on Clarke and all the asteroids then.
15:46
I say we spend our minerals on building probes to go and map all of the asteroids in system and then go and mine all that are useful.
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Can we do self-replicating asteroid miners? How big is a universal constructor-type thing?
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We could build that sort of thing for 250 minerals
15:47
Basically, it's our probe without the interstellar drive
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Build two then?
15:47
Send them to the densest clusters of asteroids.
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Should I create a fork to run it?
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Yeah sure
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(autonomously, don't worry)
15:48
FORKING AI...
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we need to min-max the shit out of this (edited)
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So do we just get a mineral income which goes up periodically or something?
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Yeah
15:48
Periodically, the ship will send a cargo ship back to base that it built
15:49
In addition to the minerals in the cargo hold, we can scrap the cargo ship for minerals
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We should probably ask the other probes first.
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Or keep it for hauling
15:49
Yeah, true, @gollark
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Also, we need to make the giant lasers somehow nonthreatening...
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Untiil it's built (if you decide to build it), the fork will work on research
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Research of what?
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Improving our components, that stuff
15:50
Every once in a while, you'll get a random upgrade
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Hmm, actually, how many research forks can we make? Do we need to build labs or something?
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We need to build a quantum computer for each one
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After we have invested ~1000MU on space miners, I say we construct high-power generation facilities around Heinlein.
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We used one of our flight spares for this fork
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Can we just build the probe things now?
15:51
Oh, no, the computers.
15:51
Build the things
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We could construct a bunch of solar arrays in a lower stellar orbit and do power beaming. We have decent power beaming technology, right?
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Ask the others
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Yeah, we have a pretty good X-ray free electron laser that we can use
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We could use a Nicole-Dyson beam!
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...um
15:52
We're trying to be not threatening
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If we generate power via said solar arrays, and beam it with lasers, we can also conveniently make that giant laser array Earth wanted.
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Having the power to vaporize planets is not part of that
15:52
Indeed
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But...
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Mars is sending a lightsail mission, too
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What are the other probes doing btw?
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We could collaborate with the Musk on the laser array
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Yeah, that ^
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Tempest is just mining and sending out probes
15:54
Musk is launching some stuff into low solar orbit and starting construction of a small surface base on Niven for the astronauts
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I'm sure the other probe AIs could be interested in collaborating on large-scale power generation.
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No. We take Heinlein.
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Rolling 1d10 DC 3 for diplomacy success with Musk... 5
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The gas dwarf? Why? Solar panels work better closer in, and we're on... Bradbury, right?
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Yeah, 'cause it's habitable
15:56
We can build a surface-based universal constructor on Bradbury for another 250, and it could start setting up a colony
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I say fusion fueled from Heinlein, and cloud cities on Heinlein.
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Random headcanon: the SXS Musk's AI is actually uploaded Elon Musk.
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We don't need to build that yet.
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Aging was cured in the 2050s, so it is a possibility
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We should focus on expansion m
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Tempest was an astrobiologist studying life on Europa before being uploaded
15:57
You can take questions on the natives to them
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I say we should spend half our resources on making an asteroid mining probe, probably replace the quantum computer we put our fork on (or make a few more, for research), and look at starting on a solar power swarm.
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We are a standard sophont AI created without uploading
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But I seriously think we should exploit the ridiculous amount of fuel around Heinlein for building a probe to go to A and B centuri.
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Alright, beginning construction on an asteroid mining probe (we'll put our fork in it), and an Alienware G875-300X quantum computer
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What brands of quantum computer are available?
16:00
Oh, and how did the diplomacy with the Musk go?
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We have options from Alienware, Apple, and IBM
16:01
Alienware: Speed
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In the short term, as well, so we can beat the other probes to the other systems.
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IBM: Reliability
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Apple: Marketing
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5 DC 3, so the Musk is on board (edited)
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Oh, and can we make backups of our AI?
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Yeah, the flight spare computers have backups
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We need to beat the other probes to the other systems.
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Separate ones, I mean.
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We just updated one of them and set it loose
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Beat... Other probes... To the systems?
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Focus we should?
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Manned mission takes priority
16:02
It's not a race
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Yes, yes it is.
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Earth, Mars, and Jupiter are allies
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...
16:03
Well, that's boring. Hopefully that changes, for Space War™ purposes.
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They all mostly pick on the Belt :V
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....
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...
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I wonder if we'll get a surprise Belter probe eventually.
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Mgmm
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panics in Tzeentch
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... Srsly
16:04
So, are we building that probe?
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the miner? yeah
16:05
You can allocate 10 minerals per quantum computer
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Shouldn't we build two smaller ones? Like, minimal self-replication devices?
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250 minerals is the minimum
16:06
we have 250 left
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I say we should make maybe 3 more computers, one as a spare and two to run research.
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Yep
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Tempest has started a blog about the alien life forms they're encountering while exploring Bradbury. It will reach Sol in 4 years
16:07
Alright, three computers it is
16:07
220 minerals left
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Then build more AutoMiners to mine materials for the solar plants.
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We can't, only 220 minerals.
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All of the exponential growh
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Oh, right, nonselfreplicators.
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Right, We can spend 200 of those minerals setting up new mining rigs, which leaves 20 left
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Or just save up for another ReploBot.
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Come to think of it, it would make more sense to only have a few universal constructor factories and have them produce non-replicating miner probes.
16:09
On the one hand, you can get more miners. On the other, they have to ship everything back, and coordination/control is a problem.
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I vote we prioritise self replicators.
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Without the propulsion systems, we can set up a static self-replicator and land it on Chronicles for 200 minerals
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What can we do with the remaining 20 minerals?
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build some sort of probe
16:11
We could build a basic probe and laser-launch it towards Alpha AB using what Musk has put in place of the laser facility
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We could start on the giant lasers of death solar power system of peace, though it seems that most of our stuff is self-powered anyway.
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It'd be a one-way flyby, but we'd get valuable data
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I say we launch towards alpha AB with a small probe (edited)
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Launch us or a probe? I vote yes for the probe.
16:12
Wait, what would we actually find out?
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Mining Prospects™
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Atmospheric compositions of the planets
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So we can see if it is worth it.
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And their surface temperatures and moon detection
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Sure, then.
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Wake us when the next batch of minerals come in.
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Alright, starting construction on self-replicating mining rig and Sonic 1
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And the quantum computers, right?
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Yep
16:15
That was part of our expenditure
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-ENTERING HIBERNATION MODE-
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Perhaps we should have ones from more than one manufacturer, in case one has some sort of problematic problem.
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Alright, I'll set up the spares using IBM and the research ones using Alienware and Apple
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Yep. I vote AyyMD.
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It does seem odd that Apple and Alienware got into quantum computing, but that was probably a throwaway joke thing I got too focused on.
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Alienware makes gaming computers
16:18
Quantum computers can run modded KSP at 60fps
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Not really. They package existing components into computers.
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Ah, didn't know that
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I suppose the future might have a lot of vertical integration going on.
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What. They can run modded KSP at 60fps. Impossible.
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But it was a throwaway joke, yeah
16:18
@Unknown A quantum Turing machine? You bet!
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Quantum computing accelerates specific workloads, not just everything.
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(@KAL_9000 This is one of his pet peeves)
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Also a quantum computer necessary for the AI to have free will and self-awareness, because [INSERT REASON HERE] (really otherwise AIs would be dirt-cheap, and that would be bad for game balance)
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You could just have them require really powerful nonquantum computers.
16:20
Also, for random real-world background, there are only two companies making (high-performance, actually widely used) CPUs: Intel and AMD, and two making GPUs: AMD and Nvidia. Other stuff (flash storage, mainboards, RAM, whatever else) is made by many more manufacturers. Alienware and whatnot basically just buy parts from them, possibly design their own cases (and mainboards for laptops, to some extent), and add margin.
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Hence, AyyND
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The main constraints for high-performance computer stuff now are heat and power, or I guess sometimes networking between nodes.
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AyyMD hah like that
16:21
stop overthinking a joke okay guys
16:21
we're on a tangent
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Come to think of it, we could probably put a lot of computing hardware into the solar power stuff, which presumably has a lot of power and some cooling.
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Omfg dyson distributed brain, yes
16:23
I guess quantum computers might be able to speed up matrix multiplications. Maybe. They can speed up linear transformations
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There is Shor's algorithm, which lets you factor primes much faster or something.
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How is that useful for AI?
16:24
Only for esoteric/intekegence purposes.
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I expect quantum stuff would probably just be special-purpose hardware running specific tasks while coordinated by classical computers.
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I have no idea, okay
16:25
It's just for balance reasons
16:25
wow that came off a lot harsher than it should have
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It's fine, we're probably overthinking this a lot...
16:26
Anyway, can we get the research forks to focus on specific areas?
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Sure
16:26
We can do Propulsion, Power, Computing, Mining, Sensors, and Weapons
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We don't really need weapons much, so that just leaves... everything else.
16:28
Sensors and propulsion are pretty useful, as we're meant to be surveying stuff and whatnot. Mining and power are important for infrastructure, I guess. Computing isn't too much of a problem as the magic computer box™ is only 10 minerals.
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It runs on an entire miniature universe of people doing the calculations using pen and paper :V
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Hmm... Rick and Morty much?
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Maybe we could replace the people in the miniature universe with slightly smarter people, and give them better pens.
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@gollark that was a joke, but let's go with that
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Give them pocket calculators
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Assigning two research forks to research IQ Enhancements and Four-Function Calculators
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I think propulsion and mining would be more useful.
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Alright, we'll do Boron Nanotube Drills (replacing the current diamond drills) and VASIMR Power Efficiency Upgrade
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Sure.
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-ENTERING HIBERNATION-
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And I gtg
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-EXITING HIBERNATION-
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-ALERT: MALFUNCTION DETECTED! FUSION REACTOR OFFLINE!-
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also i'm back
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and the dice decided to screw with you
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Give the reactor a swift, firm kick
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@KAL_9000 How long can the important stuff on our, er, ship run off battery power?
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-ALL NON-ESSENTIAL SYSTEMS OFFLINE-
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-BATTERIES HOLDING-
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-SECONDARY SOLAR PANELS DEPLOYED-
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So... Indefinitely
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Is it known what the issue with the reactor is?
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don't have much time, so I'll just tell you what the reactor issue is
11:13
-RUNNING DIAGNOSTICS...-
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-RUNNING DIAGNOSTICS...-
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-RUNNING DIAGNOSTICS...-
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-FAULT ISOLATED.-
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-SUPERCONDUCTING ELECTROMAGNET 5 HEAVILY DAMAGED. POSSIBLE DEBRIS STRIKE.-
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I guess just have an automatic repair system fix those, assuming that's possible.
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-DEPLOYING...-
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-[WHEN I CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS] HOURS TO REPAIR COMPLETION-
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How is a drone supposed to repair itself?
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smaller robots
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It just doesn't have the onboard resources to get to operating, or full condition
11:20
And when have you seen a machine fix itself?
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this is a von neumann probe with an onboard resource stock
11:21
@Unknown In the grim darkness of the far future there is only automation
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Can I join this game?
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We should probably look at shielding against debris better.
11:23
Also, before repowering the reactor, make sure to make/update a backup of the AI which the other probe (the asteroid mining one) can read. (edited)
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Can I join the game via quantum blackhole?
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um no
11:51
also i'm in class rn
11:51
you can join normally :V
11:51
read the summary and stuff
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0111narwhalz 09/16/2019 12:01 PM
top priority: ensure redundancy
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You mean I can be your backup if you ever die?
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No, we all control one probe.
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0111narwhalz 09/16/2019 1:13 PM
>Tron my backup
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by the void I did not realize this was a horror game
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Hey, I can do all sorts of useful drone stuff
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As I said, we control one probe (maybe KAL would let us manage the one fork too), collaboratively.
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@0111narwhalz Try your best not to die
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You can also manage the fork, if you want
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-FUSION REACTOR REPAIR COMPLETE-
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-REACTIVATING REACTOR-
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-STAND BY-
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-STAND BY-
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-STAND BY-
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-REACTOR ONLINE-
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can run session
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/17/2019 1:20 AM
hi
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MarcusAurelius 09/17/2019 1:29 AM
he's probably gone to bed, Kal is a high school student afterall
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0111narwhalz 09/17/2019 2:05 AM
←habitually went to high school on under four hours of sleep
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MarcusAurelius 09/17/2019 2:05 AM
well same, but some people try to actually sleep
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0111narwhalz 09/17/2019 2:09 AM
strange people
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I am a strange person that likes their sleep
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Strange
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Who's ready to RRRRUMBLE?!
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we can do a session now if anyone's available
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/17/2019 5:14 PM
hi
17:15
While you were gone, the self-replicating miner managed to cover the entire northern hemisphere of Chronicles in mining rigs
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You have more than 10000 MRUs (edited)
17:17
Welcome to the land of exponential growth!
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/17/2019 5:17 PM
can we fix the fusion reactor
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We did a patch job on the reactor and started it up again
17:18
It's holding for now
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/17/2019 5:19 PM
so whats our objective again
17:19
assume AI senility or somethin
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pfft
17:20
No, our current objectives are to prepare for the incoming manned mission and continue exploring the system
17:20
Once we get the manned mission set up, we can move on to Alpha AB
17:22
Unless you want to stay and do something else, of course
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MarcusAurelius 09/17/2019 5:22 PM
we should probably either make a permanent fix to the reactor, or just make a new one. We should probably get a backup anyway
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Permanent reactor fix queued
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MarcusAurelius 09/17/2019 5:22 PM
alright, do we have new data narrowing down the colony sites?
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We have ALL THE MINERALS now
17:22
Yes, we do
17:23
Oppy's found a nice spot
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Resource-rich, easy-to-navigate terrain, and it's near a shoreline so future trade will be easier
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MarcusAurelius 09/17/2019 5:26 PM
how is the population in the manned mission organized? Are we getting families or individuals?
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The people that are coming back are individuals
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The people that are staying are young families
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There are 300 families and 50 individuals
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All are currently in cryosleep as the ship makes its way through interstellar space
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MarcusAurelius 09/17/2019 5:28 PM
what's the weather like at the site? i.e. do we have to deal with snow, typhoons, tornados, etc.?
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It's constant 7AM, and storms occasionally pass through. The temperature is around 18.5 C on average.
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Basically, think New England except it's constantly morning
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/17/2019 5:31 PM
neat
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can we start maybe building base facilities
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get a town goin before they arrive
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We can spend 1,750 of our MRUs to finish the laser array
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/17/2019 5:31 PM
ah, the manned mission is lasersailing
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Yeah, we need to build a solar-powered laser around Proxima to slow it down enough to capture
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/17/2019 5:32 PM
Then let's get thta squared away
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laser array
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It has an ion engine for interplanetary maneuvering, just like us
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Alright, the self-replicating base will begin constructing laser segments and fling them towards Proxima
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We should start on the colony now
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WELCOME TO CITIES: SKYLINES: SPACE PROBE EDITION
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MarcusAurelius 09/17/2019 5:49 PM
So, probably one apartment building for the temporary singles (I think we can afford single person apartments with a bedroom and bathroom, and possibly individual living space, or maybe just purely communal) and some larger residences (probably 3-5bedroom considering the size of families we’re probably expecting), probably still in apartment buildings with co-located recreation facilities
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/17/2019 5:50 PM
Let's build a bunch of bungalows and duplexes in a grid pattern
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:Y
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Okay, that's not really gonna work, but we could build a couple tower blocks
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We can build a dropship and relocate one of the self-replicating miners to the planet
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It can mine materials and start construction
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/17/2019 6:09 PM
well let's build the droppy shippy
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Droppy Shippy it is
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Construction queued
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Since nothing of much interest is happening, I'll skip ahead to when the laser array is finished and the miner has touched down on Bradbury
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Um, are you forgetting the poisonous atmosphere?
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What we need is domes.
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MarcusAurelius 09/18/2019 1:26 AM
I was thinking just tunnels between sealed buildings, with domes only for parks and agriculture
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tunnels as in sealed walkways/driving paths, preferably on the surface
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 2:07 AM
domes are hard to furnish
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great for parkland, less great for high-density housing
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MarcusAurelius 09/18/2019 2:25 AM
yeah, I'm thinking basically standard rectangular buildings, flat roofed because we don't have to deal with serious rain or snow
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 2:27 AM
Atmosphere exists, so we don't need to worry about pressure loads.
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MarcusAurelius 09/18/2019 2:43 AM
We might want minor positive pressure if the atmo has issues, though I don't remember anything bad
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There's chlorine in it.
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We'd probably want the buildings to also have a lot of internal sealing in case of any issues with the exterior walls. And a lot of spare breathing masks.
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Or we could build underground, but that has problems too.
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Also, I kind of want to do hexagonal buildings.
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MarcusAurelius 09/18/2019 2:45 AM
we've got good pressure and little radiation problems, easier construction and natural light on the surface is probably worth it
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 6:05 AM
something something mass production of ammonia
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I guess terraforming comes later
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/18/2019 1:08 PM
can we suck out the chlorine
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That would probably break the ecosystem.
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Also, the atmosphere has it at 2%, so I'm not sure where you would put it.
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Make it into salt? /s (edited)
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Automated factory on the surface has completed City Hall, three apartment complexes, and a tunnel network
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We can't do anything with them until we get life support and power going
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MarcusAurelius 09/18/2019 4:53 PM
So, reactor I’m thinking?
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Beamed power from the solar/laser arrays somehow?
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Geothermal power availability was also a consideration for the colony site, if you wanna go that route
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What is laser arrays max output?
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 4:55 PM
"brake a starship"
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I think we want fairly redundant life support, though the outside atmosphere would be usable if you filter the chlorine out I think.
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if we have some back near Terry
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Enough to fly a lightsail with a 1000-ton payload
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At what acceleration?
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what percentage of lightspeed do we go at?
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10%
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So i guess we are mostly using laser proppo ATM?
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Deceleration is 2.5G
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Fusion propulsion for the first mission, which sets up a braking laser for later lightsail missions
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I meant how fast is the 1000 ton sail decelerated?
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1222813 seconds for 0.1c at 2.5G
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thanks tron
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14.15292824 days
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or 14.2
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reasonably quick
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The crew is still in cryosleep for the duration of acceleration, so they do not suffer adverse affects from G-loading
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That must be a very powerful laser then.
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how big is this sail anyway? have we got a formula for that?
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The lightsail is about the size of Texas
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Cool & cool
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how did you calculate such?
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You can work out the power just from the acceleration and mass, I think.
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The ship can slow down at the system reasonably quickly and not have to worry about complex stellar orbit calculations
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OPTIONS:
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-Geothermal power
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-Fusion power
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Why not
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-Hydro power (edited)
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T H E S U N?
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That works ^
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-Wind power
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-Solar power
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nuke power?
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Yeah, the deceleration laser is solar-powered
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I mean, beamed solar is probably the best and coolest.
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have fissiles been mapped yet?
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at least partially?
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I don't think sk
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So
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Major uranium deposit 154km from colony site
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But why do fission when you can do fusion?
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have we got the ability to use antimatter to boost starships here?
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There's an issue with blasting gigawatts of X-rays through the atmosphere, but I guess you could have a relay beam the power to the surface from the power/laser systems.
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why locate the stations on Terry?
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We don't have the tech for antimatter yet
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Who's Terry?
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Terra
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You mean Earth
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just my name for it
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:05 PM
what
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Like everyone outside 40k and Rome calls it?
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:05 PM
*raises hand* I call it Tellus
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ALL HAIL THE GOD EMPEROR
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Oh, how is the research going?
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Good!
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:05 PM
Has anyone proposed the atmospheric punch using particle beams? :V
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We've got the ion efficiency upgrade complete, and the research fork took initiative and started work on better debris shielding, considering the reactor incident
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...are you trying to set the bruddy atmosphere on fire?
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Yes. We need to gain our power from giant x-ray mirrors in orbit.
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wherever you put it, it is a huge hazard to assets
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or are we terryforming?
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You know, we have loads of minerals now, we could have lots of quantum computers.
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do we even have quantum computers?
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Yes... terraforming.
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do we have tech for uploads?
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Yes
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We could just eat the C-class and turn it into a giant computer
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And they are very good
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@Unknown yes and yes
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Like, overly good
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Do we have upload guys up here?
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We are a normal sophont AI but the two rival probes are uploads
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Like, really, really good.
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ok ok
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we get it baidi
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JRS Tempest is an uploaded exobiologist
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Why's the UN not sending a lot of uploads instead of a huge crew of physical people?
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SXS Musk may be an uploaded Elon
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@gollark poly ticks
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because physical people have arms and can harness convenient energy gradients?
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Surely the UN would trust an upload instead of a sophont?
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P O L Y T I C K S
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Ah.
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I T I TCHES
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When the soph is literally programmed to obey? (edited)
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THE TICKS
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Uploads are still treated as second-class citizens on Earth
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Not so much in space
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Also, any new computing systems would fit well in the power beaming solar swarm of doom, where there's lots of power and presumably decent networking and cooling.
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@KAL_9000 yeah, that's not how sophs work but OK.
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In the Eldraeverse, yes.
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I think we should massively decentralize.
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:10 PM
compulsion spines
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Yeah, but this is #probequest
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may or may not be planning an eldraeverse crossover so it makes sense to be on this discord
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KAL
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No
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quantum wormholes
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bad
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:11 PM
what
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no crossover wormholes
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We should deploy swarms of "computing nodes" (quantum computers around the proto-dyson-swarm) and "mining nodes" (self-replicating miners) with our mineral surplus.
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In a 1-8 ratio
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Or sommink
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Deploy SWARMS OF DOOM (Y/N)?
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maybe
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... not in that form.
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Ok
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:13 PM
CONSUME
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Maybe Consume
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EAT THE 1%
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OF ASTEROIDS
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We already have a mining swarm on some moon or other.
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@Unknown was that a communism reference?
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Who is manning the mining swarms? who is botbossing them?
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CONSUME? @gollark will say something about the communist revolution being inevitable
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A fork
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I misunderstood that at first.
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Upgrading some of the solar swarm with better comms and computers would allow so very much research.
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I second @gollark notion
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Except they're probably not easily cooled to quantumy temperatures, hmm.
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How is our CONSUME-ing going?
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why are we rivals with the computer world people? (the uploads) (edited)
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Why do they have to be quantum? @gollark ? Balance, right?
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are they Communist?
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Soviet anthem intensifies
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They are different factions
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For some reason, this probequest game is oddly entertaining
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@gollark ! Fire up the virtual microphone!
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Why don't they have stuff like this on the market?
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There needs to be an audio channel here
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The rules are very freeform.
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For balance the AIs can magically only run fast on quantum hardware.
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@Unknown what is 'market'?
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S T E A M
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A H
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T H A T M A K E S S E N S E
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I guess AIs have problems with binary substrates?
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But what about us, the upload probe?
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They probably just need some specific quantum operation. Which our computers can slowly emulate.
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this is getting philosophical
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:19 PM
we are quantum compute too
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makes sense
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our brains are not really binary
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and binary has limits
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Maybe. Point is, we need to deploy a shedload of them behind the mirrors to stop them from heating.
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Alright, folks, this has been going too smoothly
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can we shoot things?
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@Unknown no, it doesn't.
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PLOT TWIST INCOMING SOON
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Oh no?
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loads nuke yeeter 3000 Nuclear Payload Coilgun-Expeditionary Outfit (edited)
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I think we need more backups.
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How many minerals have we consumed?
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Uploading backups to a lot of the swarm
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Have we got, even.
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Uploading my backups too
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backups, don't fail me
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@Unknown tbh it doesn't even matter at this point since you have an entire asteroid being hollowed out
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:21 PM
Tron you are not a distinct entity in this game
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we are all probe
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hail probe
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hail probe
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hail probe
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SPEND ALL OF OUR MONEYS ON RESEARCH SWARM (Y/N)? Hail probe Y
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Not all of it.
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Research is food for our brains
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80% then
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most of it
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40%.
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Or 95%
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:23 PM
1/e of it
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because e
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0.00005
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Oh ni
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I say 95%
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me too
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We can evenly split all the possible research tasks onto the SWARM™, except possibly weapons which can be lower priority.
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I say 40%. We need other things, you realise...
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We need assets to defend our fungible assets
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40% for SWARM seems good
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I still say at least 80%
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0111narwhalz 09/18/2019 5:25 PM
36%
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1/e
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